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MOGUL

Zuly dzięki za post do Yurgi , na jej odpowiedź trzeba poczekać bo nie zawsze tutaj zagląda - ale odpowie na pewno i się ucieszy z zainteresowania tematem .
A ile lat ma dobek , i co mu na to dają ? chyba tylko leki przeciw zapalne i przeciw bólowe typu Rymadyl ? Stosowany z powodzeniem przy problemach z kręgosłupem i niedowładem kończyn u jamników .

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Basia, ja osobiscie nie stosowalam u psow (i nie bardzo jestem przekonana), ale wiele osob sobie chwali - wiec jesli pomaga to jest dobra Smile

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Dear Zuly,

I believe most bones use up the teeth, ribs or other bones which break can be very dangerous for stomache,intestinal (bowel) and/or other sickness, even if you don`t know if a male has prostataproblems.

Is it not better to feet cartilages ?

In the moment I have a problem to get cartilages from all parts I want, but they are quite good as gelatin or GAG`s in products like canocan , galacan ect. look for the GAG levels in product and for the price or how its work in your dog

I`m 100% sure that DNA "material" from the gullet and the larynx is not so much in dogfood, even not in barf system.
In natural feed and looking forward in low thyreoid levels dogs should get larynx and gullet.

The best protein comes from chicken/turkey ,also lachs can be feeded.
In USA I found a neurologycal diseases site. A husky owner feeded over years a self cocked diet only with fish? and the dogs starts to get suffering from neurologycal disorder- simply they forgott Vitamin B !!!

One form of secondary epilepsy problems can be low Vitamin B (mostlyB1) levels.
The other site effects of homecocking or barfdiets can be to high proteinlevels, make problems to kidneys and liver too.
Substitution with product from Albrecht (Vitaminproduct) shows a to high Selenlevel in Yurgas bloodwork.
I don`t trust all this dogvitaminstuff or even the chlorellastuff from barfshops for dogs!
I have been to a drugstore and buy chlorella 100g= 25 Euro very different smell and color from the chlorella for dogs.
Chlorella can be poison by to high iron levels,also if products are not herbizid or pestizid free.
Mostly I don`t believe all those material dog shops no matter if barf or industry- barf is his own industry too.

If I raise dogs I use mostly the food which the breeder says, in the moment that was Bosch, but also they get homecoking diet for 1-2 times a day to the dogfood.
The university give the advice to make no "experiments" in feeding puppy , so until not adult we stay half and half or 2/3 1/3.
If industry dog food is feeded I like to look for type of conservation , vitaminlevels and all indrigents , but can we trust ???

The better quality of food is always homecoking. With a small industrypart that is not to dangerous I hope.

How to find good quality in meat is a problem too with all this antibiotic and dirty food they give to animals my dog will be in this system too.

To find good food its better to go to natural farmers or kill off animals by yourself, to know what they eat and at last to know what your dog is eaten.

I have had 7 years experiences with vitamins in my epileptic dog. She is on self made diet the longest time, but also be in test with more than 10 industry foods.
The results were shocking. Tatty react on every dog food with the ugliest seizures minutes after feeding!
Also veterenary liver or kidney diet bring her up to death no matter from which sort.

After industry food, barf and self made mixes in every way (protein/carbohydratlevels, diiferent proteins ) I set her on rice (potatoes) and cotage cheese over 4 weeks- nothing more!!!
She lot the worsest behaving like running in circels, going to get blind, being "aggressiv", being completly out of order and even a lot of seizing moves away, only focal seizing still contains (over 1 year)- but that is nothing against all we have had before.

From rice and cottage cheese I went to meat (50g /100g/200g per day !!) , also I proved every vitamin in elimination and provokation.
She does not react on different carbohydrats I feel.
It must depend on something in some different vitamins like conservation and the mg of the vitamins I gave to her, is this a metabolim sign pass the the blood brain controll??? And how can that happen?

We checked her carefully again and again, bloodlevels, ultrashall 7 different vets, find nothing- but still can`t eat that or that without going to die quickly?
Wondering why?

I come to this opinion that every dog has a special metabolism, depending on genetics, work (energy), liver/ kidney and other conditions. For one dog, one art of feeding is 100% right , but still can kill the next one!

Does not always depend on the type or race only in all personal conditions. So if no suffering from sickness and even if suffering I will alway work with the index and the calculation , also with the complet bloodwork and if neccessary elimination and provocation (allergies= (Thyreoidlevels need to be checked with allergies), intestinal problems...)

Calciumlevels= Calcium in bloodwork
I must look for a special calcium report and some vet articels talking about bonesickness like HD, OCD in young dogs , also about the kidneys and calcium.
Calcium is not right for every dog (depending on food and sickness too), it should be used carefully by weight and bloodwork to be more sure.

Whale oil- I use different ones , but not every time and not in growing puppies( than only 4 times or smaller per month!!) , for grown dogs without big liver problems when neccessary very small why gall bladder or other liver problems don`t like that somehow, if descales are their which do not depending on other sickness (can be liver/kidneys/thyreoidsigns) or even for the skin - most in winter or when chances of coat, stress, big work....

Better is a cleaned (herbizid, pestizid) mix of omega 3/6/9 oil from pharmacy and mix that omega 3 self with 6 at home , dogs with allergies will profit from that.

Better to buy expansive products for humans which were tested than cheap dog products, if you use that stuff longer.

Dog health can depend on so many things I think, one big trigger is stress, genetic, food, medicine, vacination (conservation poison!!) all poson shorten lifespam if conditions are not great from the beginning , but you will not see that in bloodwork. Bad kidneys can`t be seen only when 75% of the kidneys get lost!!!

In my home I look by myself with urinsticks and if you get the feeling of kidney disease make a kreatinin clearence to be sure whats up in your dog.

If I ever have to suffer from sickness which can`t be controlled I will always go to the Rotation ( use dietassistants if not sure) of every product using a kalendar and write that down.
Longer health condition for example for my little dog (cancer, heart, kidney, liverproblems (from ACE Hemmer liverdegenaration)) yet only depending on food and work/medicine.

For the kidneys the lowest proteinlevels shows the best bloodworkresults in urea ect , but their is a worth which you can`t get under without getting other problems, the highest worth for kidney dogs is 1,4g 2,2g/ per bodyweight pure protein- so also check proteinlevels and start to count.

Example
milkprotein in liverhepatic shunt!! problems in dogs
highest milkproteinlevel is 1,4g- 2,2 g (Prof. Andra Jaggy) or 3g (Prof Zentek) per kg bodyweight
100mg cottagecheese has 13,6 g pure protein

its alway a counting ....

The heart, Quelle university of munich

Don`t believe that L carnitin or whatever safe a sick heart it won`t, so the veterenary diet from hills do not work.

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For the liver I use very expansive and high level milkthistle!! products in Tatty and Shiva with good bloodresults, but from the medicine (Luminal, ACE Hemmer, Diuretika) is a lot of poison in both dogs so...special diets, tee with natural herbs will help a little.

Shiva has been on veterenary kidney diet ( getting ACE Hemmer and Diuretika) the result was blood in excrements and deliver badly,also she can`t set her excrements up without a lot of energy start to cough than very worse.
Ì`m wondering , over weeks I search and search in universitys and everywhere, Shiva has gotten more badly suffering in that time.The vets can`t say why- all believing thats the hearts doing research again and again - bloodwork, ultraschall....nothing !

I moved than to homecoking diet after finding that the diuretika disturb her Kalium levels by my own from reading, which let her go to excrementproblems `have just given her a small Banana (Kalium),8g/5kg dog , that is the dosis for human babies and all went well. So simpel ....

Low Kalium levels , also drink to small water going together with diuretika, wrong food (hills kidney diet) gave that bad condition.
Her proteinlevels are "painfully" on 2g/per kg bodyweight, so you must check every meatsort and the proteinlevels and calculate every day.
My best instrumenst are a pair of electronic scales which I use every day.

If I`m not able to do this feeding work by my own I give all bloodwork to the university to find a personal profil for the dog, depending on sickness or not, or when we know about genetic suffering in family look to controll that before it break out- and hope!

Its a way -not a easy one, not a cheap one, a way which cost time , money,always with a pair of scales, but in hope of getting a long time my best friends next to me.

I will bring some interesting links to the forum next days,need time.
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