Owczarek środkowoazjatycki - Central Asian Ovtcharka

Yurga · Wysłany: Śro 0:10, 11 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Zanim bedziemy mogli udac sie do profesora znalezlismy sie w najgorszej
sytuacji jaka mozna sobie wyobrazic I musimy ustabilizowac Kaplana
inaczej zginie.

Wymioty, krwawe biegunki, wielkie wytrzeszczone oczy, bilirubina w moczu.

Twarz Kaplana jest opuchnięta nad i pod oczami a krwawa biegunka tryska
jak woda. Biegunka wygląda jak ketchup i potwornie smiedzi.

Zrobilismy badanie krwi (czekamy na wyniki), czekamy tez na ostatnie
wyniki z … i mamy umowiona wizyte u profesora.

Blagam, jeśli macie jakiekolwiek informacje o linii Kaplana, które mogą
nam pomoc, dajcie znac.

Jakiekolwiek wyniki tych psow czy jakiekolwiek porady będą bardzo pomocne.

Barbara nie odpowiada, Malgorzata nie odpwiedziala do dzisiaj.

Porsze, pomozcie jeśli macie jakiekolwiek informacje o tych psach.

Nie chcemy nikogo karac, chcemy utrzymac naszego psa przy zyciu.

Pomozcie.

Dziekuje, Sandra"

Yurga · Wysłany: Śro 21:34, 11 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Results

Tierart Hund
Rasse
Tiername Kaplan
Alter
Geschlecht
Datum Untersuchung
geboren am
Tierärztliches Labor Freiburg
PD Dr.Dr.habil. D. Barutzki
DipEVPC • FTA für Parasitologie

Teilbefund
11.03.2009 Kotuntersuchung: alle Verfahren + Giardia AG + Bakteriologie + Mykologie
Endoparasitennachweis mittels negativ
Anreicherungsverfahren
Giardia-Nachweis (Koproantigen) negativ
bakteriologische Untersuchung
E. coli nicht nachweisbar
E. coli häm. ++
Salmonellen nicht nachweisbar
Clostridium perfringens ++
Campylobacter nicht nachweisbar
Yersinia nicht nachweisbar
mykologische Untersuchung
Sproßpilze nicht nachweisbar
10.03.2009 Resistenztest (E. coli häm.)
Labornummer: 0903864 E. coli häm.
Chloramphenicol S
Oxytetracyclin S
Lincomycin R
Erythromycin R
Penicillin G R
Oxacillin R
Ampicillin S
Trimethoprim/Sulfamethoxazol S
Amoxycillin + Clavulansäure S
Enrofloxacin S
Gentamycin S
Neomycin S
Ceftiofur S
Polymyxin B S
Cefquinom S
Nitrofurantoin S
06.03.2009 PCR: Nachweis von Coronaviren
Coronavirus-PCR Ergebnis folgt
Rotavirus-AG-Nachweis
Rotavirus-AG-Nachweis (EIA) positiv
Parvovirus-AG-Nachweis
Parvovirus-AG-Nachweis (EIA) negativ
Clostridium perfringens Enterotoxin (EIA)
Clostridium perfringens Enterotoxin positiv
Befundbewertung:
1. Endoparasiten/Giardien wurden nicht nachgewiesen.
2. Rotavirus-Antigen wurde in der vorliegenden Kotprobe nachgewiesen.
3. Therapie (E. coli häm.): siehe Resistenztest
S: sensibel
I: intermediär
R: resistent
Befundkosten: 191,95 € incl. MwSt., Rechnung folgt an Tierhalter

Yurga · Wysłany: Pią 8:43, 13 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

We have been for 2 times in the clinic again, bloodwork,urinwork and checking kaplan onces again, why we started to suffer from new symptoms which were more than terrible.

His eyes roll away and the third eye is fallen out, the mastication muscels were so swollen that he can only open his mouth for 4 centimeters or smaller and he is starting to cry painfully.

Now we are at painmanagement - if not - kaplan is going to die why he can`t eat any longer.

One word was fallen yesterday and I have had this in my mind for a long time since pancreas break, but it hits me like a hammer and I get a totaly breakdown up to now.

AUTOIMMUN

Barbara stop saying that I done something wrong to him or feeded him wrong, you know thats untrue. Please have understanding how terrible this is for us !

Yurga · Wysłany: Pią 15:16, 13 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

next result

PCR: Nachweis von Coronaviren
Coronavirus-PCR negativ

Yurga · Wysłany: Sob 11:56, 14 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Serious Informations about Autoimmundeseases !

Immunodeficiency can occur as a result of a genetic defect in different breeds of cats and dogs. Some viral infections (e.g., feline immunodeficiency virus and canine parvovirus) can cause immunodeficiency, as well. Newborns who did not receive adequate amounts of colostrum are immunodeficient and in great danger of becoming seriously infected with a number of diseases.

Poor nutrition, such as Vitamin A, Vitamin E, and selenium deficiencies, and restricted protein or calories can result in suppression of the immune system.

Because of the strong suspicions for genetic transmission of these diseases and potential risks to the bitch and the litter, affected dogs should not be bred. What about breeding close relatives--littermates, sire, dam, half-siblings-- of affected dogs? Should a breeding that has produced one or more affected dogs be repeated?

Yurga · Wysłany: Nie 11:14, 15 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Masticatory Muscle Mysositis (MMM)

Kaplan is suffering from a scull face (I call it "Klingone") since last week, its the Muscel Myositis. Our next sickness of the immundeseases.

I don`t no what comes next, but I still will have a try and look if we are able to move out of this. Days,weeks, month
Nobody knows and no guarantees.

He has a shrunken pancreas and a different bowel problem also MMM.

You find informations about that on many sites

Masticatory Muscle Mysositis (MMM) appears to be a breed problem in many large breed of dogs, including but not limited to:

Bearded Collies

Chinese Sharpei

German Shepherd Dogs

Doberman Pinschers

All Retrievers (Goldens and Labradors make up most reported cases in this group)

Old English Sheepdogs

Sloughis

This immune-mediated, focal inflammatory myopathy selectively affects the muscles of mastication and can occur in dogs less than 6 months of age, although the condition primarily affects young and middle-aged dogs and is unrelated to gender. While most cases occur in large breeds of dogs, it can affect any breed. (The incidence of this in Italian Greyhounds seems to be moderate, based on the information we have. We have found information on only six other affected dogs nationwide. I'm sure the numbers are higher, as many cases go unreported or undiagnosed) **(updated, October 2005...it has been brought to our attention that there are a number of other IGs diagnosed with this condition, including two in one litter. I have spoken with the breeders/owners of several of these dogs soon, so that we can compare information and pedigrees of these dogs to the ones we already know of.)

While most veterinarians are hesitant to say it's an inherited condition, it has been witnessed in lines and in litters of affected individuals.

This condition used to be described as two separate disorders: (1)eosinophilic myositis and (2) atrophic myositis. It is currently felt that these are manifestations of the same disease now called masticatory myositis. (MMM) is a canine inflammatory disorder, most likely immune-mediated,selectively involving the masseter, temporal, and pterygoid muscles of mastication. These muscles are used to grind and chew food prior to swallowing.(In layman's terms, these are the muscles in the top and sides of the face, including the cheek muscles, that assist in opening and closing the mouth)

Five muscle groups in the dog are involved in the process of mastication - four muscles are responsible for closing the mouth and one with opening the mouth. The tempoallis muscles and the masseter muscles are primarily the muscles used to powerfully close the jaws.
Fig 1 Fig 2 Fig 3

side view

dorsal view, unaffected

dorsal view, affected

Bear in mind that these muscles must also relax in order for the mouth to open. Since these two muscles are the largest muscles which close the jaw, when they become involved in masticatory myositis, the primary clinical sign is trouble in opening the jaws.

Masticatory myositis can be divided into an acute and chronic form. It must be remembered that one acute attack can lead immediately into the chronic form of the disease, although, more often than not, multiple, recurrent acute attacks are necessary. In a very few cases, the acute attack is not severe enough to be noticable. Clinical signs include some combination of masticatory muscle atrophy or swelling and abnormal jaw function, manifested generally by restricted jaw mobility. The dog's head sometimes appears swollen and larger than normal. The dog will be reluctant or unable to open his mouth. Opening the mouth more than 1 inch or so elicits an extremely painful response. This results in difficulty in eating and often the owner notices increased drooling as well. This swelling may even cause exophthalmia or the eyes to "bug out". Usually a fever is present and the lymph nodes in the head and neck region are enlarged. The tonsils are often enlarged as well, but it is difficult to visualize them due to the inability to open the mouth. The patient is often depressed and may resent palpation of the head musculature.

Laboratory findings are variable, but very often are normal. The white blood cell count may be elevated and often there is an increase in eosinophils (a type of white blood cell often seen with inflammation). Most often there is a dramatic increase in a skeletal muscle enzyme known as Creatine Kinase or Creatine Phosphokinase (CPK-MM). Smaller amounts of this enzyme are also located in the brain (CPK-BB) and in the heart muscle (CPK-MB). This enzyme has a short life span in the serum and is most often elevated in the acute form of the disease due to the magnitude of muscle damage and because the owner usually presents the dog while the disease is present. CPK may not be part of the normal serum enzyme panel your veterinarian uses and may have to be requested separately. Your vet should also request the CPK enzyme be reported in terms of the various isoenzymes (heart, brain and skeletal muscles).

The chronic form usually is evident when the dog's head appears "sunken", especially the top of the head. Sever and recurrent muscle damage leads to scar tissue formation and atrophy or shrinking of the muscle. This scar tissue is non-functional and these dogs often cannot open their mouths more than 1/2-1 inch. The dog's head often appears "skull-like" with a prominent external sagittal crest (the bony ridge on top of the head) and the eyes are sometimes enophthalmic or sunken due to loss of the muscle mass behind them (fig.3). In the chronic form, laboratory findings are often normal. The CPK-MM is usually normal due to the fact that there is little muscle left to produce the enzyme. The dogs are normal otherwise and non-painful, although the mouth cannot be opened.

The cause of masticatory myositis is uncertain, but is thought to be immune-mediated because:

* The type of cellular infiltrate in the affected muscles.
* The disease is responsive to immunosuppressive doses of corticosteroids.

Laboratory diagnosis is made by detection of circulating antibodies against type 2M fibers, a unique fiber type present only in the muscles of mastication(the temporalis and/or masseter muscles). These antibodies may play a role in the immune system attack on these muscle fibers. Evaluation of a muscle biopsy is necessary for confirmation of the diagnosis and in prognosis for return of jaw function and muscle mass as determined by the amount of myofiber destruction and fibrosis.

Immunosuppressive dosages of corticosteroids should be used until jaw function returns to normal and serum CK is within the reference range. The dosage should then be decreased until the lowest alternate day dosage is reached that keeps the dog free of clinical signs. In some dogs, prone to relapses, this must be maintained on continuous alternate day therapy over the dog's lifetime. This dosage should be continued for an additional 4-6 months since clinical signs will reoccur if treatment is stopped too soon or an inadequate dosage is used initially

Surgery is sometimes necessary to allow some return of jaw function. Often the insertion of the temporal muscle on the lower jaw is surgically incised and released. This may free up the jaw enough for the dog to be functional.

Fortunately, this is not a common disease, but one that veterinarians and owners need to be aware of.

This information was compiled from a number of veterinary sites, as well as newsletters and seminar transcripts.

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Yurga · Wysłany: Nie 12:02, 15 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Can somebody help me please ?

Barbara won`t believe that Kaplan is sick
1.I have feeded him wrong
2. now the vets have no knowledge

I told her , if she believes that all is so o.K in her line, we should proove !
Why do some (means not all ) dogs look so shrunken other look as if they shrivel (Lana `s line, Kaira ? and one brother) and mostly I saw they have no normal muscelbuilding, others are afraid. Am I wrong watching those photos`?

Barbara I can only please you to stop, please you all.
Think carefully about dogs, think about ethik and moral until we are with ovtcharkas on the way were the german shepards are.

Understand that the breeding in most "housedogs" is completly becoming a total deseaster and if breeders don`t react the dogs cannot be recreated.
Ovtcharkas are on the best way to get to this trip if we look further in that way !

Different ways
- setting Kaplan on Kaira or Lana or even his mummy.

Barbara can sell this dogs and get money or we keep them all in hour household and see.
I cannot understand what she writes, but I need to know and understand.

Cie?ko mi po niemiecku odpisywaa wiec bede po polsku pisaa....mo?e Ci kto? przet3umaczy. Otó? po Lanie suczke u?pili bo " podobno ugryz3a dziecko ", to tyle.Mój weterynarz jest bardzo dobrym specjalist? i napewno zauwa?y3by ?e co? niedobrego sie dzieje z moimi szczeniakami.?le karmi3a? Kaplana a potem dobi3a? go ?le postawion? diagnoz? przez Twoich super lekarzy a po tylu lekach ka?dy organizm by wysiad3. A teraz ?eby wine odsun?a od siebie to wymy?lasz ?e moje szczeniaki maj? defekt genetyczny.Je?eli chcesz do mnie jeszcze napisaa to pisz po polsku bo nie wszystko rozumie co piszesz do mnie a musze sie przecie? jako? bronia je?eli zacze3a? mnie atakowaa.

Embarassed

Yurga · Wysłany: Pon 14:26, 16 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

I will start with same pictures , don`t no if I need to explain

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Yurga · Wysłany: Czw 12:24, 19 Mar 2009 Temat postu:

Dear Ovtcharkas,

in time a new website for my rough diamant boy will be build.

I like to invate you when I`m ready, takes time - so have a little patience !

Sandra

Yurga

Hello Azira,

you ask me in the other forum about Kaplan.
Kaplan has never suffered from rat`s poison or something else.Sorry !

Was that still a breeders wish or a new way to deny those problem ?

Kaplans problems goes on for the longest time.
I have not been sure if it was o.k. to speak about it, cause I know the reactions and how aggressiv some people will become when they start to loose money or see the truth.
I`m not a breeder ! I carry about health problems in animals and try to talk it over to shelter animals from pain.

Why do they not cooperate in a genetic program to identify and eliminate those genes and health problems ?

Kaplan suffered from a autoimmunprocess since he was a very young.
Since that day Margaret knows it, she never spoke a word to me again and Barbara feel attacked ??
WHY ?

You see how depressed the level is around that health problem in the the molosy forum. They ignore, deny, talk dirty, laugh and the social etiquettes became totaly abnorm.

But some people are friendly.
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I have biten through bigger problems with Tatty before, but the difference now is not so big.
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Kaplans process includes pancreas and bowel and much more if we can`t stop this aggression against his body.

He is on a better way yet, but needs lot of money, work, providence,response and knowledge about it - no guarantee how long this will go on. Look at the Vizslas.

I will say thank you for all the friendly people and the understand and standing by.

Dear Sandra
I hope that your dog feels better now, let us know.
Did you think about the poison? My dog died by the reason of rat's poison, the symptoms were very similar.
Brgds

Yurga

Hello ,

here are some Myopathy pictures from Kaplan which I sent to different Vets today to give my personal results/treatment over the months.

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I have written about Myopathy in dogs in this thread in different dogs.

Masticatory Muscle Mysositis (MMM) is something for a research in Internet.
Myopathy in dogs differs, which kind of dogs were involved :
Retriever,Labrador, German Shepard, Boxer, Viszlas, other hunting dogs ect., but different type of Myopathy !!

Most were putten to sleep, like most "Pankreas and boweldogs " too.

Don´t breed or buy when others die !

Yurga

Kaplans Upgrade
Pancrea problems seems to be under controll, no diarrhoe, no vomiting, weight stabil, eaten 5 times per day always fresh cocked.

But as long as I look back another problem was still in him.

His dermis is a problem, sometimes red,sometimes blisters in young age at the stomache and at his mouth, the earproblem and now further...the frontfeed. Allergy ???

the front feed :
First one feet looks as if something moves in, wood ?? No !!
Bathing the feed 3 times per day and after a time it was o.k., but still it was not !

When pancreaproblems get bigger the feetproblem get bigger, looks like a infection - abscess..

We put Kaplan to different tests and different vets ,specialists [link widoczny dla zalogowanych] with smaller results.

Time flies away with chancing medication, cremes, different schampoos, Clorhexidin,antibiotics , but nothing really happened, its not getting better.

From the time it broke out until now we get more than 4 abscess on the left feed, but a smaller problem on the right feed is clear to see .

Kaplan has a pododermatitis depending on .....allergy ?? [link widoczny dla zalogowanych]

pictures
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We cannot find the reason up to now, but Dr. Schleifer said he believes in a allergy.
Kaplan is for the longest time on the hypoallergenic diet with horse and hirse and hypoallergenic enzyms and now that ...??

To take new tests we will see a new specialist, including hormonstatus, thyreoidlevels, also some dermis tests and autoimmunproblems .

If anybody has experiences please let me know.
We have been on
Pyoderm Schampoo
Clorhexidin Spray
Rivanol
Wedederm creme
Infecto pyoderm

Now
Virbac Allermyl
Albrecht DermAllay Shampoo
Clorhexidin in higher %

Cefaseptin over 3 weeks

Bacterias was smal Staphylococcus epidermidis and pysi. flora

Thanks for listening
Sandra